Ancient Rivalry between Zoroastrianism and Hinduism

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    A comparative study of the fundamental theologies of Zoroastrianism and Hinduism points out to some surprising conclusions, something that scholars have been ignoring for so long. The adherents of the two religions were each other's bitter antagonists for a long time. Iranians even hated the God of Indians and considered him evil, resulting in the birth of the first evil spirit of humanity. This evil spirit then found its way into the Satanic concepts of Judaism, Christianity, Islam and a large number of theologies across the world. Let us take a look at the fundamental theologies of the two religions and see what they have to offer.

    Zoroastrianism was the most prominent religion of Iran. What are their beliefs? Firstly, that their God is Ahur Mazda. Secondly, they believe in a certain powerful Satanic spirit called Ahriman. And their scriptures talk about two types of people—Yazats and Devas. Devas are symbolic of the evil spirit, an embodiment of all that should not be. Even now, when people of the Iranian region talk about Devas, they talk about them with disgust—that is the kind of hatred that the Devas have generated. And most importantly, they are led by the demonic evil spirit called Ahriman. On the other hand, Yazats are the followers of the Supreme God Ahur Mazda. They are the righteous people, an embodiment of everything that should be correct.

    Now let us come to the subject of Rig Veda, and the scriptures of Hindus in general, of India. There are two types of people—Devas and Asurs. Devas are the righteous people; they are an embodiment of all that should be right; they rule the heaven and earth and maintain peace and righteousness all over. Their God is Brahman, the Supreme Being, who has created everything in the universe. And there are the Asurs, who are evil beings. These Asurs are an embodiment of all that is wrong, an embodiment of all that should not be. They are led by their evil guru/teacher Shukra.

    Do you see anything that relates the two beliefs? In today's geographical terms, these are two communities of people who lived on either side of the current day Afghanistan. We have the community on the west side of Afghanistan call the evil spirit as Ahriman, and we have the community on the east side of Afghanistan call their God as Brahman. Do you get a feeling, or sense something fishy here? Yes, both are the same: Ahriman is the same as the Brahman. The god of the Vedic people is the evil spirit of the Zoroastrians! The name of Brahman got morphed slightly after it traveled over to the Iranian region, and it became Ahriman.

    The evil spirits feared by the community on the west side of Afghanistan are Devas. And the good-natured gods of the Vedas on the east side of Afghanistan are also Devas. Both are the same. Zoroastrians hated the Devas of the Vedic people!

    The god of the people on the left side of Afghanistan is Ahur Mazda. And the good people who follow Ahur Mazda are called Yazats. The evil spirits feared by the Vedic community on the east side of Afghanistan are called Asurs. We can easily see that the name of Asur has been given to the followers of Ahur Mazda. In the later literature, these are called Rakshas—a phonetic similarity with Yazats can be noticed. Zoroaster is the Persian name for the prophet. The Greek name for him is Zarathushtra. Phonetically, this ties in with the name associated by the Vedic people to the guru (teacher) of the Asurs—Shukra! - The evil Asur Guru, derided even today in a large body of religious legends all over India. And the usage of these terminologies survives to the current day, even after eons, across the scores of languages of India. Killing a demon or evil person is called Asur Vadha in Indian languages; and an extremely evil deed is even today called Rakshasic.

    What we clearly see here is the presence of the two communities on either side of the present day Afghanistan, separated by a few hundred miles. They were battling each other for a long time; the exact duration of their fights cannot be definitely attested to. But the kind of feelings that they generated against each other certainly points to the possibility that they were each other's antagonists for hundreds of years or probably even thousands of years, on a sporadic basis, as attested by the huge amount of literature dedicated to the battles between the communities in their respective scriptures. They were battling each other for survival, each fearing that a loss would decimate their culture and everything else with it.

    What is the source of hatred for each other? Why did they fight each other so much?
    The scriptures of both the communities once again provide the answer.

    Indian scriptures tell us that their civilization was made up of two types of beings – Devas and Asurs – born of the same parent. Devas, being virtuous, were the toast of all and were bestowed with most of the important and responsible posts of the world by God, while Asurs were deemed incapable and got the raw deal. Asurs were miffed by this and were led away to a far off existence of their own, in defiance of the divine ordinance. Once in a while, they waged wars with Devas to reclaim their motherland. This description of the sequence of events tallies with the legends of Iran. Zurvanism, a branch of Zoroastrianism, tells us that their homeland was temporarily given away by God to Ahriman and the Devas; and they hope to regain the land back after some time. The legends of the two regions are tallying with each other.

    India was the original homeland to the two communities - a group of people called Devas, and to Asurs. Devas and Asurs lived together in India in what is termed today as Indus Valley (present day Pakistan and north-west India). In the ensuing economic and civilizational progress, Devas got most of the pie, while Asurs felt left out. Their leader Zoroaster revolted against the Devas. He even felt that all this raw deal to his people was being meted out in the name of religious practices, which were being misused to subdue his people. So he rejected the religion of the Devas as well. He felt the necessity to unify his people under a new religious setup; and thus was born the religion of Zoroastrianism. Historians are to this day confused on why Devas and Ahriman, who were once worshipped and held in high esteem, were suddenly shunned as evil beings by later day Iranians. Here is a Wikipedia extract regarding the confusion.

    "While it is likely that the daevas (Devas) were once the ‘national' gods of pre-Zoroastrian Iran, there is ‘no known Iranian dialect attests clearly and certainly the survival of a positive sense for [Old Iranian] daiva (Deva).' This ‘fundamental fact of Iranian linguistics' is ‘impossible' to reconcile with the testimony of the Gathas, where the daevas, though rejected, were still evidently gods that continued to have a following."
    "This essential contradiction has yet to be conclusively explained. Given the fragmentary and discontinuous information in the sources, it is an extremely difficult issue. In general, ‘rejection of the [daevas] is linked to Zoroaster's reform' and Gershevitch and others following Lommel consider the progression from ‘national' gods to demons to be attributable to the ‘genius of Zoroaster.'

    Historians and theologians are still so confused even today because they have still not understood the events that led to the birth of Zoroastrianism. Zoroastrianism was born as a revolt against the religious setup in India. The mount on which Zoroaster received divine revelation was, in all probability, in India. He formed a new religion and called his God Asur Mazda, meaning God of Asurs (this later got morphed to Ahur Mazda). He rejected the religion of Devas, and termed their god as evil spirit, whose worshippers would go to hell. This new religion was repellant to Devas, who then expelled the Zoroastrians. This event, when Asurs were expelled out of India, is frequently termed in Indian scriptures as ‘Devasur Sangram,' a bloody pre-historic war. Zoroaster led his people to the nearby region of Persia. However, even after moving away to their new home, they were always desirous of reclaiming their original homeland back, and led repeated wars against India - it is these wars that got captured in an extra-ordinarily large body of legends in the scriptures of both the communities.

    Historians often date Zoroaster to between 1000 BC and 600 BC. Because of this late date, his influence on the Satanic and other concepts of Abrahamic religions is not fully appreciated. Zoroaster existed at a time when India had only the worship of Brahman, and the currently popular cults of theological Vaishnavism and Saivism did not even exist in India. Mahabharat, a scripture relatively late into Vaishnavite thought is itself often dated to 800 BC to 1000 BC. Zoroaster must therefore be much much earlier than this. Some scholars have already been pointing out that he lived around 6000 BC.

    Zoroaster's terming of the Indian God Brahman as evil spirit led to the birth of the first Satanic evil spirit of humanity. This Zoroastrian evil spirit then found its way into the other theologies around the world, including the Satanic concepts of Christianity, Judaism, and Islam. This is how the Satanic concepts of our religions originated.

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